{"id":80,"date":"2016-09-20T09:00:14","date_gmt":"2016-09-20T09:00:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/?p=80"},"modified":"2022-04-13T17:25:11","modified_gmt":"2022-04-13T16:25:11","slug":"is-clear-red-water-about-to-become-even-clearer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/is-clear-red-water-about-to-become-even-clearer\/","title":{"rendered":"Is ‘Clear Red Water’ about to become even clearer?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Nye Davies examines calls for the Welsh Labour Party to become more autonomous in the wake of the Labour Leadership Election<\/em>.<\/p>\n

In 2002 Rhodri Morgan made his famous \u2018Clear Red Water\u2019 speech<\/a>, outlining the different path that Labour was to take in Wales compared with the Labour Party at Westminster. He argued that a different approach to Tony Blair\u2019s was needed in Wales, admitting that \u201cthere are always going to be those ideological fault-lines in the approaches to social welfare in post-war social policy in Britain\u201d. He did not propose a split from the British Labour Party \u2013 simply that there were different problems in Wales that needed different solutions.<\/p>\n

Since that speech was made, there have been major changes in British politics. 2015 \u2013 2016 has been a turbulent period and has had a major impact on the Labour Party. First there was the election of outsider Jeremy Corbyn in September 2015 and then the EU referendum 9 months later. The vote for \u2018Brexit\u2019 has led to a huge debate in the party and a leadership contest, with many blaming the result on poor campaigning on the part of Corbyn.\u00a0 Welsh Labour might be considered to have done okay in the past year \u2013 the party only lost 1 seat in the 2016 National Assembly Election. However, their share of the vote decreased by 7.6%, the drop in support masked over by the semi-proportional voting system that operates in Wales<\/a>.<\/p>\n

The Labour leadership election and its likely result has caused some Labour Party figures to think seriously about the future of the party in Wales. Former Welsh Government Minister Leighton Andrews has pointed to the possibility of a separation of the Welsh Labour Party<\/a>. He said that if Corbyn was to be re-elected then \u201cit\u2019ll be devastating for Labour in the next general election\u201d and that he thought there would be an \u201cautonomous Welsh Labour Party\u201d and a \u201cseparate Welsh Labour Party\u201d.<\/p>\n

Calls for an autonomous Welsh Labour Party have been made in the past. After a poor 2015 General Election result, First Minister Carwyn Jones tweeted that it was \u201ctime for change in the structure\u201d<\/a> of the Labour Party. When asked if a federal party was an option he replied \u201cone option\u201d.\u00a0 Even before his most recent comments, Leighton Andrews was calling for Labour to adopt a federal structure<\/a> back in June 2015, stating that he didn\u2019t care \u201cwho English Labour choose\u201d as leader, instead asking the question \u201cis there space for a three-nations Labour in a federal British party?\u201d.<\/p>\n

The arguments for federalisation from Welsh Labour officials have gone on for some time, not just for the party but for the UK as a whole. In the wake of the Brexit result Carwyn Jones said that he didn\u2019t want Wales to be seen as \u201csome sort of annexe to England\u201d<\/a> but that \u201cwe don\u2019t have to have independence \u2013 there is a way to ensure there is some sort of federation\u201d.<\/p>\n

But questions remain over how an autonomous Labour Party would work how effective it could be. As Professor Roger Scully has pointed out<\/a>, becoming a more autonomous party will not \u201cinsulate the party in Wales from its broader UK-wide problems\u201d and that there is also the problem that MPs like leadership challenger Owen Smith would find the proposition of an autonomous Welsh Labour Party difficult to accept. Perhaps more internal wrangling, this time emanating from the Welsh branch of the party, is to come.<\/p>\n

It is also questionable how becoming an autonomous party can make a difference to its electoral prospects. Since devolution the \u2018Welsh\u2019 Labour brand has been very strong \u2013 just compare Labour\u2019s electoral fortunes in Wales to those in Scotland, where a strong Scottish Labour brand has not been developed. Welsh Labour rhetoric, highlighted by Rhodri Morgan\u2019s \u2018Clear Red Water\u2019, has promoted a different way of operating to British Labour so it is debatable whether a truly federal, autonomous party will turn Labour\u2019s fortunes around. Dissatisfaction with areas such as health and education are surely more important to the people of Wales than the structure of the party. The lack of a strong Welsh media and the limited attention Wales receives in the British press will also be a hindrance to any attempts at becoming distinct from Jeremy Corbyn\u2019s Labour Party.<\/p>\n

The current civil war may be a huge turning point for the Labour Party. If Jeremy Corbyn remains as leader \u2013 as it looks likely he will \u2013 then big questions will be asked about the future of the party as it currently stands. The role of Welsh Labour and its future in the British Labour movement will also be a question that needs answering.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Nye Davies examines calls for the Welsh Labour Party to become more autonomous in the wake of the Labour Leadership Election. In 2002 Rhodri Morgan made his famous \u2018Clear Red […]","protected":false},"author":1043,"featured_media":81,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[16],"tags":[21,18,13,23,20,17,19,22,24],"class_list":["post-80","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-labour-party","tag-carwyn-jones","tag-clear-red-water","tag-devolution","tag-eu","tag-jeremy-corbyn","tag-labour-party","tag-leadership","tag-leighton-andrews","tag-welsh-labour"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p8iFWs-1i","meta_box":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/509\/2016\/09\/15024926027_384702cb70_b.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/80","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1043"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=80"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/80\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":83,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/80\/revisions\/83"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/81"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=80"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=80"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=80"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}