{"id":222,"date":"2017-01-11T17:42:49","date_gmt":"2017-01-11T17:42:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/?p=222"},"modified":"2022-04-13T17:25:10","modified_gmt":"2022-04-13T16:25:10","slug":"wales-and-john-mcdonnells-radical-federal-uk","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wales-and-john-mcdonnells-radical-federal-uk\/","title":{"rendered":"Wales and John McDonnell’s ‘radical federal UK’"},"content":{"rendered":"

As John McDonnell calls for a ‘radical federal UK’ in order to strengthen Labour’s position in Scotland, Nye Davies explores the implications for Wales and the tensions arising from different strands of the party.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has called for a \u201cradical federal\u201d<\/a> UK in a recent interview with The Herald, marking a change of policy for the Labour Party. McDonnell\u2019s calls have come amid renewed talk of a potential second referendum on Scottish independence and Labour\u2019s attempt to win back supporters in Scotland in light of the party falling further and further behind in one of its former heartlands. Labour is losing ground to the Tories in the constitutional debate in Scotland and needs to offer a convincing argument to the Scottish people in order to win back support. But where does Wales fit in to this plan? Considering calls for federalism from Welsh Labour have been ignored in the past, it is questionable whether the implications on Wales have been thought through.<\/p>\n

Welsh Labour Leader and First Minister Carwyn Jones has been calling for a \u201cconstitutional convention\u201d for a few years, but as noted by David Moon in 2014<\/a> when Ed Miliband was leader, it largely fell on deaf ears within the Labour Party hierarchy. In a speech in 2014<\/a> Carwyn Jones called for federalism in order to enable \u201cunity while guaranteeing diversity\u201d and to strike \u201cthe best balance between national citizenship and local flexibility\u201d. His calls have become stronger since the Brexit vote<\/a> due to talk of a second Scottish independence referendum. A federal UK would mean Wales would not be \u201can annexe to England\u2026We don\u2019t have to have independence \u2013 there is a way to ensure there is some sort of federation, or some sort of agreement\u201d. Maybe Carwyn Jones has finally got through to John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn; but it is more than likely that this move is a way to win back Scotland to the Labour Party cause.<\/p>\n

If the Labour Party is to adopt this policy, it must settle the key issues of what federalism entails: the makeup and size of the different parliaments, how a second chamber would work, the role of current MPs in Parliament. All these issues and more need to be considered. Perhaps more important would be the financial implications of such a federal UK state: how would funding for each nation be decided? How will the size of England compared to Wales, for example, be resolved? Plans may be revealed in time, but for now we\u2019re left with simply expecting Labour to adopt the policy of a \u2018radical\u2019 federal UK, whatever that will look like.<\/p>\n

Whatever form is suggested, tensions between the Parliamentary and Welsh Labour Parties need to be settled. While Carwyn Jones and many of his colleagues in the Welsh Labour group in the National Assembly have called for a federal UK, and a federal structure to the party for that matter, Welsh Labour MPs have been hostile to such changes. Their position would be in question if federalism were to occur as it is not yet clear if they will keep their jobs.<\/p>\n

There is also confusion over whether the Parliamentary Labour Party and Welsh Labour have the same objectives in mind. As Professor Richard Wyn Jones asked<\/a>, if the policy of the Labour Party is for there to be a federal UK, why are Labour opposed to the establishment of a Welsh legal jurisdiction? The Welsh Government has called for a distinct jurisdiction yet Labour MPs didn\u2019t support it when the Wales Bill passed through Parliament.<\/a><\/p>\n

All of this shows that different parts of the Labour Party do not seem to be operating on the same wavelength. Carwyn Jones\u2019 calls for federalism and a distinct legal jurisdiction have been ignored in the past but suddenly this call seems to be developing as party policy. What form it will take remains to be seen. Whether it can gain the support of all Labour MPs, unlike many of the current Corbyn leadership\u2019s policies, also remains to be seen.<\/p>\n

Talk of a federal UK and a discussion on the UK constitution from the Labour Party leadership is welcome. But for Labour to take this forward, everyone needs to be singing from the same hymn sheet; and a Welsh voice should not be lost in the choir.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"As John McDonnell calls for a 'radical federal UK' in order to strengthen Labour's position in Scotland, Nye Davies explores the implications for Wales and the tensions arising from different […]","protected":false},"author":1043,"featured_media":223,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[16],"tags":[21,70,72,17,71,73],"class_list":["post-222","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-labour-party","tag-carwyn-jones","tag-federalism","tag-john-mcdonnell","tag-labour-party","tag-scotland","tag-wales-bill"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p8iFWs-3A","meta_box":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/509\/2017\/01\/pjimage.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/222","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1043"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=222"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/222\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":226,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/222\/revisions\/226"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/223"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=222"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=222"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/thinking-wales\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=222"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}