{"id":1386,"date":"2022-03-07T10:10:25","date_gmt":"2022-03-07T10:10:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/openfordebate\/?p=1386"},"modified":"2022-03-04T15:37:07","modified_gmt":"2022-03-04T15:37:07","slug":"on-choosing-reality-how-public-discussions-of-gender-recognition-go-wrong-and-what-we-can-do-about-it-part-3-beyond-the-ontology-first-approach","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/openfordebate\/on-choosing-reality-how-public-discussions-of-gender-recognition-go-wrong-and-what-we-can-do-about-it-part-3-beyond-the-ontology-first-approach\/","title":{"rendered":"On \u201cChoosing Reality\u201d: How Public Discussions of Gender Recognition Go Wrong, and What We Can Do About It  Part 3. Beyond the Ontology-First Approach"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Content advice: transphobia. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>In <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.cardiff.ac.uk\/openfordebate\/2022\/02\/21\/on-choosing-reality-how-public-discussions-of-gender-recognition-go-wrong-and-what-we-can-do-about-it-part-2-rejecting-the-ontology-first-approach\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the previous post<\/a>, I argued that we should reject the Ontology-First Approach, which is the view that questions about gender recognition should be settled by first establishing what gender really is. This raises the question of how we <em>should <\/em>approach discussions of gender recognition. In this post I will suggest that we should re-frame such discussions as primarily <em>practical <\/em>and <em>ethical <\/em>rather than primarily <em>ontological. <\/em>Whereas the Ontology-First Approach directs us towards trying to work out who really is a member of which gender category, we should, in my view, focus instead on establishing the consequences of adopting one or another sort of social practices, and on assessing the extent to which these consequences are morally acceptable.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I will illustrate this approach in more detail by considering the example of gender-separated toilets. The Ontology-First Approach involves framing the issue in terms of \u201cfiguring out who is really a woman\u201d, and <a href=\"https:\/\/journals.sagepub.com\/doi\/full\/10.1177\/0038026120934697\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">this is often how it is in fact discussed<\/a>. On the alternative approach I am suggesting, toilet access would be conceptually de-linked from questions about what gender <em>is, <\/em>meaning that these sorts of considerations would be ruled out from the start. Instead, we would proceed by considering the consequences of different possibilities: what happens if trans people are able to use the gender-differentiated toilets that most closely match their gender identity, and what happens if they are not? (A more thorough exploration would also consider alternative ways of providing toilet spaces \u2013 such as individual, self-contained, non-gendered toilets \u2013 but I am restricting my focus to these two options for reasons of space.)<\/p>\n<p>The current situation in the UK, the US, and many other countries gives us insight into both of these possibilities. This is because many trans people do use gendered toilets that match their gender identity, but they also encounter significant barriers to doing so. These barriers are not typically legal in nature \u2013 in the UK, for example, excluding trans women from women\u2019s toilets would be illegal under the Equality Act 2010 \u2013 but rather take the form of informal hostile responses <a href=\"https:\/\/williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/Restrooms-Minority-Stress-Jun-2013.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">including verbal harassment and physical assault<\/a>. These risks generate stress, and \u2013 given that a trans person may be perceived as out of place in a gendered toilet of <em>either <\/em>kind \u2013 effectively prevent some people from using public toilets at all. This in turn prevents them from accessing a wide range of public spaces, and depending on people\u2019s circumstances, it may <a href=\"https:\/\/journals.sagepub.com\/doi\/full\/10.1177\/0038026120934697\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">severely limit their ability to leave their home at all<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>These negative effects of excluding trans people from the toilets that match their gender identity are widespread and well documented. The <a href=\"https:\/\/transequality.org\/sites\/default\/files\/docs\/usts\/USTS-Full-Report-Dec17.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">report of the 2015 US Transgender Survey<\/a>, which surveyed over 27,000 trans people, found that in the preceding year, 24% of respondents had been questioned or challenged over their presence in a toilet, 12% had been verbally harassed, physically attacked, or sexually assaulted when accessing or using a toilet in the past year, and 9% had been denied access to a toilet in the past year. More than half (59%) had avoided using a public toilet due to fear of such problems \u2013 either sometimes (48%) or always (11%) \u2013 and, related to this, almost a third (32%) limited the amount they ate or drank to avoid using the toilet, while 8% reported having a urinary tract infection, kidney infection, or another kidney-related problem, as a result of avoiding toilets.<\/p>\n<p>It is clear, then, that trans-exclusionary approaches to toilet access seriously undermine trans people\u2019s safety, dignity, and ability to participate in society. These are very severe harms. One might think they are so severe that they could never be morally acceptable. At minimum, they could only reasonably be considered to be morally acceptable if alternative arrangements involved even more extreme and widespread risks.<\/p>\n<p>But there is no reason to think that enabling trans people to use the toilets that they feel most comfortable with carries any risks at all, much less extreme and widespread risks. Peer-reviewed studies have found <a href=\"https:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/profile\/Brian-Barnett-5\/publication\/326547236_The_Transgender_Bathroom_Debate_at_the_Intersection_of_Politics_Law_Ethics_and_Science\/links\/5d00389ea6fdccd13093ef6b\/The-Transgender-Bathroom-Debate-at-the-Intersection-of-Politics-Law-Ethics-and-Science.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">no evidence that trans-inclusive policies lead to a rise in sexual offences<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.springerprofessional.de\/en\/gender-identity-nondiscrimination-laws-in-public-accommodations-\/15973372\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">nor to safety and privacy violations more broadly<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>One point that is sometimes raised against trans-inclusive toilet arrangements is the discomfort some cis women may feel at sharing a toilet space with a trans women. But such discomfort, even if it were widespread, could not reasonably be viewed as outweighing the harms associated with the trans-exclusionary arrangements that are detailed above.<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, I think we should question whether those who appeal to such discomfort would be willing to apply the same logic to other cases where some people using a facility feel discomfort towards other people using that facility. I think that few would be willing to treat some white women\u2019s discomfort at sharing spaces with women of colour, or some straight women\u2019s discomfort at sharing spaces with queer women (for example), as a reason \u2013 even a potentially outweigh-able reason \u2013 to exclude women of colour or queer women from women\u2019s toilets.<\/p>\n<p>A possible response here would be to claim that such discomfort could only be founded on prejudice, whereas discomfort experienced by cis women in relation to trans women is a response to genuine risks to safety; thus, the two cases are different. This, however, would return us to the assessment of safety risks discussed above \u2013 which shows that there is no such risk.<\/p>\n<p>Overall, this shows that on the approach I am advocating, the question of how to organise access to gender-differentiated toilets has a very obvious answer: people should be able to use the toilet that best fits their gender identity (assuming that toilet spaces are gendered in the first place).<\/p>\n<p>Now, I\u2019m not suggesting that <em>all <\/em>decisions about how to organise gendered social practices have equally straightforward resolutions. The point, rather, is twofold.<\/p>\n<p>Firstly, once we approach questions of gender recognition with a focus on practical and ethical considerations, we will see that questions about different social practices should be handled separately from one another. For example, sporting competitions are, as the name indicates, competitive; but going to the toilet is usually not a competitive matter (there may be occasional exceptions, for example in the case of very small children). Arranging a social practice that is competitive raises different practical and ethical issues compared to arranging one that is not. So the question of how to handle gender recognition in the case of sporting competitions should be treated as separate from the question of how to handle gender recognition in the case of toilets.<\/p>\n<p>Secondly, as the foregoing discussion of toilet access has shown, it is much easier to point to evidence about the practical effects of different policies for a given question about gender recognition than it is to answer ontological or metaphysical questions such as \u2018what makes someone a woman?\u2019. Getting away from the Ontology-First Approach won\u2019t solve all the problems currently affecting public discussions of gender recognition \u2013 but it will be a step in the right direction.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Content advice: transphobia. 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